Digg 1: Talk2Me: paul newman cancer update
Digg 2: State of California Warning: DO NOT Flush Pharmaceuticals
I see an interesting common thread in the number of natural nutritional supplements people are looking up today. At least people are looking for natural remedies, but the reasons we're seeking these remedies are disturbing. It's amazing to me how people today look for quick external fixes in every aspect of their lives.
First, there is the acai berry diet. The acai berry is known as an elixir that provides an antioxident and gives energy. A friend of my grandfathers swears by the virtues of monavie, which is a drink made from the acai berry. People who drink acai juice and eat the acai fruit extoll it's benefit to the joints. But now some folks are claiming, in what's very likely a scam, that acai in pill form can make you lose weight too. Can't we just be happy with what the acai berry does do, instead of trying to overclaim it's benefits?
And then there's arginmax, whose manufacturers claim that it helps improve sexual performance in both men and women. I wonder if people take this because their intimate lives are really ailing, or because they are - like so much of society - addicted to the idea of attaining "more." Either reason makes me sad.
By far the most disturbing natural "remedy" that's on people's fingertips today is burundanga, a drug made from the plant called either cacao sabanero or borrachero. In some parts of the world it is used to drug foreigners in order to rob them. In other parts of the world, recent reports of date-rapes, thefts, kidnapping and other crimes have been attributed to it. Frightening!
Tuesday, September 30, 2008
COMMON THREAD: acai berry, arginmax, burundanga
Ididn't know: laura bush killing a man in texas,
ayaaswwworld (east africa): I didn't know that almost everyone attached to the White House has to have some kind of background, if you look at laura bush killing a man in texas, this is not very far from the would be new president MCain's background
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I WONDER :xbox live update september 29,
ayaaswwworld (east africa): I WONDER if the 29th day has some kind of bad omen or is attached to some misfortune, look at what is taking place xbox live update september 29, stock market crash 1929, and this bailout rejected . As for the stock market issue, looks like the great depression is where we are heading to again. This is sending really very bad signal to the world.
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My Own Way: halloween costumes, master of disguise, goonies cast
grandmaswwworld: Halloween is coming and I intend to celebrate and enjoy it My Own Way. I remember when it was such a fun night. Trick or Treaters coming to the door in all kinds of costumes, passing out candy treats, and watching the clock for 10pm when I could turn off the lights and relax again.
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I Wonder: presidential polls after debate, face the nation
grandmaswwworld: I Wonder sometimes what our news media is thinking. We have a presidential election coming up, the economy is at an all time low, people are losing their homes and we are losing our soldiers on a daily basis in a war that we should not be in. And yet, I click on the news and the top stories are heather locklear arrested
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TALK2ME: roll call bailout vote, 1929 stock market crash
kellyswwworld: today, of course, everyone is talking about the economy, so TALK2ME: What happened this morning in the United States House of Representatives? How did my congressman vote in the roll call bailout vote, and why? Will we experience another 1929 stock market crash-type event?
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Talk2Me: paul newman cancer update
Talk2Me about why we who of a certain age (I refuse to say old) start becoming obsessed with illnesses and death when we should be enjoying living life instead. I checked the online news this morning and was greeted with the headline about the paul newman cancer update.
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I Wonder: babies r us
grandmaswwworld: I Wonder sometimes how any of us "older generation" parents raised our kids without all the fancy gadgets and equipment that are deemed necessities today.
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Saturday, September 27, 2008
I DIDN'T KNOW: airtel call home, free international calling cards
digg1: Talk2Me: Did you call your Grandma lately?
digg2: Free Country Codes for International Calling & Area Codes
I didn't know that Airtel is offering special prices on calls this september. Airtel call home offers cheap calling cards and cheap international calling rates. I wonder if people living in my country can also take advantage of the free and cheap international calling cards they are offering, but I somehow think it's only for customers who live in other countries.
In my country, the cell phone network works with prepaid talktime as well, but we only have 4 cellphone companies to choose from. Last I checked, airtel was not one of them, though we have many people here who would surely love to use it.
Hmm, I also see that "Airtel subscribers who will visit Singapore from September 25th to September 29th, 2008 can now enjoy uninterrupted communication while on the move." How very exciting! It seems the cellphone network in that country is very expensive, and airtel offers cheaper rates.
I WONDER: homecoming hairstyles online
digg 1: I did not know: happy birthday google
digg 2: Dying Boy Named Homecoming King Thanks to Kindness of Fellow Students
I wonder at the number of websites today that have pages and pages of homecoming hairstyles. Are hairstyles for homecoming really so different than prom hairstyles or party hairstyles or bridal hairstyles for weddings? Has homecoming taken on it's own hairstyle identity?
I am seeing links for Homecoming Hairstyles, Homecoming Updos, and Beautiful Homecoming Hairstyles Recommendations. Not to mention homecoming dresses, homecoming games, homecoming kings and homecoming queens. Quite an industry!
When I was in high school, I organized the homecoming festivities 2 years in a row (what was I, nuts?) We didn't have websites then, so we had to rely on hairstylists, our friends or hair fashion magazines for suggestions on homecoming hairstyles.
I wonder if girls who go to homecoming look better today because they have the internet? I also wonder if my colleagues where I live now even know what homecoming is!!
I did not know: happy birthday google,
ndeloswwworld (east africa): I did not know: happy birthday google this a very important tool both to learners and experienced internet users. my first internet lesson was Google search which I find it so useful and easy to use. it gives solutions and is a kind of short cut as a mater of searching for some thing. congratulations Google founder!!! I
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I wonder: dream dinners, nick carpenter
ndeloswwworld (east africa): I wonder,dream dinners this was good luck to them! having dinner is one other interesting thing in a community where people like to share. in this family get together and enjoy and also discuss other family matters, But I wonder what kind of dream
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MY OWN WAY: fall begins, fall leaves, first day of fall 2008
kellyswwworld (southern california): As fall begins, my own way of celebrating is to enjoy the fact that I don't have to turn on the air conditioner anymore.
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Monday, September 22, 2008
I DIDN'T KNOW: ephelides, mabon
kellyswwworld (so cal): I didn't know that there are two types of freckles. The first is ephelides, the light-colored kind that come and go with sun exposure.
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I didn't know : phalloplasty, model behavior, four brothers
ayaaswwworld - east africa - I really didn't know that people could go to this extend , phalloplasty, model behavior, to achieve what they think was meant for them and by mistake not given . why really can't we appreciate what nature has bestowed unto us, isn't this undermining who/whatever has tried their best to make us what we are?
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I wONDER : abby and brittany hensel, conjoined twins,
ayaaswwworld (east africa) - I wonder if these are scientific problems abby and brittany hensel, conjoined twins, I do believe that they can be natural happenings / god's creation or it just came to be, but for scientists , they have their own ways of thinking. It could be a metabolic action or an evolution,if not an atomic problem, there goes the list, whatever they all mean,
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I didn't know. Frosted butts, daylight savings time 2008
nobsoswwworld (east africa): Solar powered cooling and ice-making without photo-voltaic panels and batteries. This is how to keep us cool without having to choke the planet. Green Cold beats anything out there and can be set up in remote locations.
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Friday, September 19, 2008
ourwwworld pilot game: week 2 update
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008
I did'nt know: facebook down, without a trace
ndeloswwworld (east africa): I didn't know: facebook down, I have not logged in for the past three days and I was only having problem with yahoo for four days! perhaps its a general problem.
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I wonder: upside down rainbow, gun, big brother 10 winner
ndeloswwworld (east africa) I wonder: upside down rainbow, this is scaring! perhaps the world is coming to an end but according to the covenant God made with man related to rainbow was that if it appears would mean terrible rain that would strike the world again like in the time of Noah! I wonder what would happen if that kind of rain comes again?.
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Monday, September 15, 2008
COMMON THREAD: stock market crash,washington mutual bankrupt
ayaaswwworld (east africa): stock market crash, washington mutual bankruptcy, wamu bankrupt , if this is happening in such big companies in very a developed world like America, how about we who are just developing and relying on funds from the more developed.
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I WONDER: 500 internal server error, youtube down,
ayaaswwworld - I wonder if the computer era is also coming to an end like everything else in the world. 500 internal server error, youtube down, We are experiencing a lot of natural disasters right now , this makes me wonder if it's part of the situation.Yet thousands of people are still struggling to be part of this technology, how to get the old facebook back .
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TALK TO ME: saturday night live, levy bonaduce fight
nobsoswwworld - Will someone talk to me about the hype associated with saturday night live boxing? I am almost convinced that like wrestling the whole thing is fake.
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MY OWN WAY: the day the earth stood still, another universe,
nobsoswwworld - Some random thoughts on the things we do when we attain the unattainable. Is it possible to have without causing another to not have? Why do I see best with my eyes closed as when in deep meditation?
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Sunday, September 14, 2008
Talk2Me: hurricane carla, japan earthquake, hurricane ike evacuations
ayaaswwworld: Talk2me , Could a spy satellite identify any of us from our shadow?,and if this was so how could elizabeth smart,end up like this?.Please also talk2 me about all these calamities,hurricane carla, japan earthquake, hurricane ike evacuations.Are we heading towards the so much talked about end times ?
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Talk2me: liverpool vs manchester united,
ndeloswwworld: Talk2me: liverpool vs manchester united, For all the time man u has taken to build this popularity, its a bit disappointing to see that man u has started performing badly! however man u fans don,t loose hope.
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I wonder: michaels crafts,trailor park boys,
ndeloswwworld: I wonder: michaels crafts, how he does the from these stores, there seems to be lots of markets out there because here in my country even just one stall isn't easy to market.I wonder how he recovered the lost so fast in spite of the huge lost! I wonder: where does your favorite artist rank,
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I didnt know: brennan s restaurant,how do you make cupcakes,
ayaaswwworld: I dint know: brennan s restaurant,that this kind of place was existing until this mis fortune of the fire outbreak!for such a legendary place fire fighters could have come in early enough to save at least part of it, this being in a more developed world. Because in my country even the next house could have been burnt down.
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Common thread: Oxymoron - Bush Doctrine Wiki, Cheap Gas
lindernswwworld: A new look at oxymorons
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I WONDER if there's a happy housewives club,
ayaaswwworld: I wonder if happy housewives club, would be good news for work at home moms. I also wonder if what natalie cole, has any similarity with what right now is killing hundreds of people in my country. Here it's said to be Hepatitis B. I wish there was a cure , because it has taken so many lives.
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Monday, September 8, 2008
I Wonder: Fannie mae freddie mac interest rates, women in red racers
nobsoswwworld - Will the lower interest rates help borrowers keep their homes or will we see more women in red races?
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I WONDER: hbo entourage, under the yum yum tree
kellyswwworld - At my house, we all love movies, and hbo entourage, a show that goes behind the scenes of the movie business, is one of our favorites.
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TALK2ME: tax policy center, fannie mae and freddie mac
kellyswwworld - Obama's plan "would provide the greatest tax relief to middle-class families, while the McCain plan provides the greatest tax relief to the wealthiest families." Pretty much what ALL of the other studies done in the last few months have concluded.
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COMMON THREAD: nfl scores, nfl fantasy, hello kitty jewlery
kellyswwworld - Again today, as others have noted before, the COMMON THREAD on the google trends list is football. Everything from nfl scores, dallas cowboys schedule, and nfl cheerleaders to myfantasyleague and nfl fantasy. So I had to laugh when, buried among all of these testosterone-loaded search terms, there at number 21 sat hello kitty jewelry.
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Sunday, September 7, 2008
My Own Way: evans the atom is old yeller
party at christinaswwworld - Since my life is currently like a make-your- own-flavour ice cream parlour of opportunities, and what's next is the current topping of the month, I've decided to have a party. At christinaswwworld, I am I leaping off the tops of the rocks I've been hiding under, to fly online with the winds of global change once again this fall
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I WONDER: earthquakes today, white plague,
nobsoswwworld - I wonder if earthquakes today and the white plague will be anything when honey bee populations continue to decline at the catastrophic rate they are
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Saturday, September 6, 2008
I Didn't Know: miley cyrus dead,miley cyrus car accident
gransmaswwworld - I didn't know that people on the internet could be so cruel. Today there is a rumor on the net declaring miley cyrus dead. It is said that there was a miley cyrus car accident resulting in her death. But in reality, did miley cyrus die? The answer is NO!
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I WONDER: when in the course of human events; declaration of independence, magna carta
lindernswwworld - Musings on the values of freedoms and what we do with them.
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Friday, September 5, 2008
I WONDER: Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms
ndeloswwworld: I wonder why Plain slashed the funding for teen moms! in my country teen moms are the most cared for because they could have given unplanned birth or most of them don't have jobs yet. slashing fund for the teen moms means slashing fund for the babies!!I wonder if this will make sense to the people!
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I DIDN'T KNOW: In a More Diverse America, the GOP Convention Mostly White
ayaaswwworld: I DIDN'T KNOW that In a More Diverse America, the GOP Convention Mostly WhiteHow then would Obama stand any chance of winning in such a situation, where whites dominate in everything. I wish he could step down and let the white rule.IDIDN'T KNOW that things could turn this sour obama o reilly, protesters at rnc ,
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MY OWN WAY: caribou barbie, walter reed middle school, heart
kellyswwworld: It seems the photo behind McCain was supposed to be the military hospital, but was instead the middle school (in North Hollywood, CA) of the same name. OOPS!
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Talk2Me: Did you call your Grandma lately?
grandmaswwworld: As mothers, we grandmas were the ones to nurture and care for our kids. We kissed the boo boos, cooked the meals, did the laundry and raced to the school when they left half their science project at home. Then the kids are grown and we take on a new role as mentor, spoiler, and lover to a pack of wonderful grandkids.
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Thursday, September 4, 2008
Talk2Me - This is intelligent politics?
lindernswwworld: Is this what American politics has come to?
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COMMON THREAD: mccainpalin bumper sticker, palin speech video
christinaswwworld: A common thread of republicanism is washing over google-land, as repulican party-related search terms take over at least 25% of googlers' top 100 searches today. Or is it republicanism? You decide.
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ourwwworld how-to: DIGG TWICE
1. go to the ourwwworld blog at http://ourwwworld.blogspot.com
2. find any play that you haven't dugg before
3. click on the read more link.
4. digg that story
5. go anywhere else on digg and digg something unrelated to the ouwwworld game
6. now go to your digg profile. find the links you just dugg at the top of your recent activity
7. drag your cursor over one of the links, right click to copy it
8. go to your blog and open a new post
9. paste the link you copied into the new blog post as your digg 1 or digg 2.
10. go back to your digg profile and repeat steps 7 and 9.
a post with 2 digg links in it can be saved as a partial play.
You can now either:
- publish and come back later to COMPLETE YOUR PARTIAL PLAY, or
- continue to BLOG YOUR WORDPLAY
ourwwworld how-to: COMPLETE YOUR PARTIAL PLAY
1. when you are logged into blogger, get to your dashboard. To get to the dashboard, click on any link that says dashboard or click on the small blogger logo in the top left of your blog.
2. at the dashboard, find the name of your ourwwworld blog. Click on the edit posts link below it.
3. find any post you've named Partial Play
4. click on the post title to preview what's in there
5. click on edit at the left of the post title to open the post for editing.
continue to BLOG YOUR WORDPLAY
ourwwworld how-to: BLOG YOUR WORDPLAY
With a post that contains your two diggs open for editing, you can now blog your wordplay.
1. open the google trends page in a new window and look at what is there.
2. select your play approach (I wonder, common thread, talk2me, i didn't know, my own way)
3. Start writing
4. drag your cursor over the links on the google trends page to copy them
5. paste the links from the google trends page into your text as you write.
6. create a title that starts with the name of your play, followed by any 1-3 of the google trend search terms you included in the text, separated by commas.
7. Publish your post
8. View your blog
Continue to DIGG YOURSELF
ourwwworld how-to: DIGG YOURSELF
1. View your blog
2. click on the title of the post you want to digg
3. find the Digg! submit link above the google ads. right click on the submit link to open the digg submission process in a new window.
4. drag your cursor to select and copy the title of your post.
5. Paste your post title into the digg submission page
6. Drag your cursor to select and copy some of the text you have written
7. Paste your text blurb into the digg submission page.
8. click submit and complete the digg process.
Help!! When I click on the title of my blog post everything looks the same
If you are digging the most recent post you've made, the top part is supposed to look the same. When in doubt about where you are, scroll down, look up to the URL that's showing in your browser, or do both. If you scroll down to find yourself on a page with that post only and no other posts below it, then you are in the right place to digg. When you look up to the URL address in your browser and see yourwwworld.blogspot.com/2008/xx/the-name-of-your-post.htm then you will also know you are in the right place to digg.
If that's not where you are finding yourself, then try clicking on the title of the post again.
HELP! Digg says my post might be a duplicate! What do I do?
Just scroll down to the bottom of the list and click "totally original, I swear"
TALK2ME: boeing strike, boeing strike vote 2008, machinists
christinaswwworld: Without even knowing what the boeing strike is about, it's clear that more pressure of any kind is not going to do the airline industry much good in the near future. It's pretty amazing to think about how much control those boeing machinists have over my global lifestyle.
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Wednesday, September 3, 2008
MYOWNWAY: tropical storm hanna, sarah palin bikini, dive in underwear
christinaswwworld: fema.gov is asking for donations at www.fema.gov to help shelter those displaced from the hurricanes; james whitey bulger is an even more wanted man today; and I'm going to blog this MY OWN WAY because.......
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I DIDN'T KNOW: amantadine poisoning, house
christinaswwworld: I DIDN'T KNOW what amantadine was before today. Google is showing related searches for amantadine poisoning, huntington, huntington's disease, house, wilson's disease. I couldn't find anything at digg. So I decided to look up amantadine using goodsearch .
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Tuesday, September 2, 2008
I WONDER: bristol palin drinking, sarah palin legs, secession
christinaswwworld: What on earth were the Republicans thinking?
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Monday, September 1, 2008
ourwwworld pilot game: player welcome
Dear ourwwworld players,
it's been a blast getting your game blogs and sample plays ready. Thanks for agreeing to try out this concept. Now get ready for a wild ride in cyberspace! I'm very excited to watch what happens when your creativity moves into action with this unusual fundraising game.
Remember: Digg twice, blog your wordplay, digg yourself.
The players with the most diggs win!
To dig, in my dialect of the english language, means to enjoy. So log-in and start digging around at Digg.com. Take a look at today's google trends, and get ready to enjoy this game. I think it's going to be alot of fun!
Here are some useful links to posts I've been making over the past few days here at the ourwwworld blog, to get you started playing the game:
- How to play
- Player rules
- Points, scoring and winning
- Allowable plays:
Your game blogs are listed below. By now you should have received an invitation from blogger to have authoring permissions on your blog, so you can log in whenever you want and start posting plays or partial plays.
- LIVE: kellyswwworld for mme. kelly in l.a. (or is that la-la land?!). ms. kelly is playing this game because she believes in her cousin, and because she wants to help.
- LIVE: grandmaswwworld for our global grandma in the pacific northwest. grandma is playing this game because her daughter on the other side of the world asked her to, and because she is excited about the funds it can raise for her favorite cause.
- LIVE: nobsoswworld for mr. nobs in the solar heart of east africa. he's playing the game because his girlfriend designed it, and because he'd like to raise capital for more of his solar energy projects.
- LIVE: ndeloswwworld for mr. ndelo in east africa. he's playing because he wants his blogging and clicking skills to finally turn into some cash. he also wants to see his organization move forward.
- PENDING PLAYER CONFIRMATION: ayaaswwworld for ms. ayaa in east africa who really needs to check email more often.
- PENDING PLAYER CONFIRMATION: lindernswwworld for mama linda n., whose heart, body and mind are divided between africa, asia and america right now.
If you have any questions, we can chat about those at ned.com, where I will be starting an ourwwworld game pilot project discussion within the coming days.
Keep it global, make it fun, and don't forget to enjoy yourselves!
Most of all, thanks for agreeing to help pilot the ourwwworld game concept.
ourwwworld pilot game: start up announcement
Confirmed ourwwworld player pilot game blogs will be made live on 1 September.
For the first week of play only (1 - 8 September 2008), the minimum 2 play per week requirement will not be strictly enforced.
Players must, however, have a minimum of 4 plays completed by 15 September 2008 (two weeks from now) to remain a player for the rest of the September's game. The normal weekly requirement of min. 2 plays per week will apply after that. Please also note that if we do not have 5 players with 4 posts each by 15 September, the game will be discontinued.
Please always remember that 2 plays per week is just a minimum. You are welcome and encouraged to play (and have fun with the ourwwworld game!) as much as you can.
ourwwworld pilot game: how to play
Digg twice, blog your wordplay, digg yourself.
1. Digg Twice
Once you've been digging around a bit at digg.com, the 2 digg links you need to paste into your post appear in your digg profile as soon as you have dugg them.
Start your play by clicking on "new post" at your player blog.
digg 1: paste the digg link for any completed play you have dugg that you found here at the ourwwworld blog. Any post appearing at the ourwwworld blog (including this one) is open for you to digg and play on once.
digg 2: paste a new digg link for any other (non-ourwwworld game related) page you have dugg on digg.com
A reminder - the 2 digg links you need to paste into your post appear in your digg profile as soon as you have dugg them. Drag your cursor across a link in your digg profile to copy and paste it into your blog.
If you save your post at this point, give it the title PARTIAL PLAY. You can come back to edit the post and blog your wordplay later. Uncompleted partial plays earn 1 point in the end of month score tally.
2. Blog your wordplay
a. Visit the google top trends page, to choose at least 2 search terms (or search term variations) to include in your post. Drag your cursor to select the search terms and their links from the google trends page, and paste them into your post as you incorporate them into your text.
b. Select one of the following 5 allowable plays, and model your post after the provided sample.
c. the first sentence of your wordplay text must include the name of the allowable play you choose, as shown in the sample plays
d. The title of your published post must include the name of your play followed by 1-4 of the google search terms included in the post, like below, or it won't be counted as a play:
COMMON THREAD: football scores, football schedules
I WONDER: ordinal, revelation generation, federalist papers
I DIDN'T KNOW: matsunichi photoblitz 7” digital picture frame
etc.
3. Digg yourself
submit your completed play post to digg.com. A self digg of a correct play adds two points to your end of month play point tally. Your completed play will be posted for others to digg at the ourwwworld blog
ourwwworld pilot game: points, scoring and winnings
A completed play is worth 3 play points
A post that only includes two diggs can be saved, published and counted as a partial play (1 play point). A partial play should not be submitted to digg until it has been edited to include your wordplay. A partial play that has been edited to include the wordplay but not yet self dugg will not yet count as a completed play.
The cash bonus pool (20% of the ourwwworld pilot game ad revenue, plus revenue shares forfeited by players who fall out of the game) is distributed among the winning players at the end of each monthly round as follows:
- 25% to the player with the most play points
- 25% to the player with the most diggs received on all completed plays.
- 25% to the player with the highest digg score on a single play.
- 25% to the player whose blog content generates the most advertising revenue
ourwwworld pilot game: player rules
The pilot ourwwworld game will run under my stewardship as moderator and financial manager from September 1 - November 30 2008. This is a private, invitation only game that players agree to play for 3 months only. When the pilot game has ended, you get to keep your blog (and 100% of any income it continues to generate), and do whatever you want with it.
During the pilot game period, we all get a share of advertising revenue generated by the content of our own wordplays; plays and diggs earn us points in competition with each other for extra cash; and 40% of everything the pilot game earns goes to Life in Africa.
During the pilot game period, we agree to play by the following general rules:
- Two correctly completed plays per week keeps you in the game, but you may play as often as you can. You may skip a week and stay in the game as long as you completed at least 2 more than the required weekly plays during the previous weeks. If you fall out of the game by falling behind in your weekly completed plays (ie, week three is over and you only have 5 plays completed), you forfeit your revenue share for that whole month to the cash prize pool.
- No post may include the word “click” or verbally encourage visitors to click on any link in the post or on the game blog page. Players also agree not to ever click on any of the advertisements appearing on any ourwworld game blog.
- Keep it global. Players may not mention the name of ANY country or continent in their game posts. City names may be mentioned.
- Players agree to only discuss game rules, procedures and strategies with each other in public, at a ned.com discussion thread established for that purpose.